CO-HOSTS
Sarah Garrison and
Haley Lewis
EO03: Growing Resilience through Challenges (Coffee Chat)
In this Coffee Chat episode, hosts Sarah Garrison and Haley Lewis delve into a candid discussion about the ongoing impact of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Show Notes
Sarah and Haley emphasize the multifaceted nature of this crisis, recognizing that while everyone’s experience during the pandemic was unique, there was a shared collective trauma that affected individuals and communities worldwide.
The hosts begin by acknowledging the ongoing challenges of recording their podcast, highlighting their commitment to authenticity. They openly discuss their evolving setup, the occasional technical hiccups, and their willingness to make mistakes along the way, inviting listeners to join them on their journey of growth.
As they embark on their conversation about COVID-19, Sarah and Haley emphasize the importance of embracing change and starting despite imperfections. They stress that waiting for perfection can hinder progress, and that the ability to witness their growth in real time is an exciting aspect of their podcast.
Reflecting on the pandemic’s initial days, the hosts recall the uncertainty and isolation that characterized the early stages. Sarah shares her unique perspective as a safety manager for a staffing agency, explaining how her role demanded her presence even during lockdowns. She describes the critical role of her agency’s workers in maintaining essential services like food production and warehousing.
The conversation then shifts to the challenges of isolation, with Haley describing her own experiences of being stuck at home due to COVID-19 restrictions. She contrasts her previously active lifestyle and touches upon a severe knee injury she sustained just before the pandemic, which further complicated her situation during the sudden confinement. The hosts highlight how isolation affected people differently and explore various coping mechanisms individuals employed to survive this period.
One anecdote shared is about a parent who, in the face of playground closures and restrictions, took it upon themselves to remove caution tape and allow their child to play. While the hosts express curiosity about potential repercussions, they focus on the resilience and resourcefulness displayed by parents during this challenging time.
The conversation takes an interesting turn as Sarah recounts her own experience with COVID-19. She explains her role in ensuring companies’ compliance with COVID-19 regulations and how this kept her from experiencing the same isolation as many others.
Haley raises the issue of people’s fear of seeking medical attention during the pandemic, and Sarah shared a story about a worker who refused to go to the emergency room for a severe cut out of fear of contracting COVID-19. This fear of hospitals and medical facilities became a widespread issue during the pandemic and led to many individuals delaying necessary medical care.
The hosts briefly delve into the topic of masks, acknowledging the controversy surrounding their effectiveness. Haley recalls her role in procuring and distributing masks to nursing students at a local community college, emphasizing their importance in certain situations. However, Sarah shares her skepticism about their efficacy, especially after contracting COVID-19 while wearing a mask.
Haley admits to having reservations about masks as well, expressing doubt about their ability to protect against a virus due to the fact the she could smell cologne through a mask. She humorously shares her humorous observation that if she could smell cologne, surely smaller viral particles could penetrate the mask as well.
Despite their skepticism, Sarah and Haley acknowledge that masks may have their uses, particularly in preventing the spread of other illnesses like the common cold. They highlight the need for respectful dialogue around the topic and the importance of understanding varying perspectives.
The conversation then delves into the complexities of government regulations and individual compliance during the pandemic. Sarah emphasizes that compliance with regulations was a significant aspect of her previous career, and she wore masks to protect businesses from repercussions. However, her perspective shifted after contracting COVID-19 while following regulations.
Haley adds her own perspective, mentioning the feeling of being caught between a desire to protect vulnerable individuals and questioning the effectiveness of certain measures. The hosts touch upon the challenges of navigating a constantly changing landscape of regulations and the impact of government officials not always following the rules they imposed.
They highlight the collective trauma experienced during the pandemic and the importance of open conversations. They emphasize that everyone’s trauma during this time was unique, but it still contributed to a shared experience. The hosts express their commitment to facilitating respectful discussions with guests from various backgrounds and viewpoints.
They wrap up the conversation by encouraging listeners to share their thoughts and experiences, fostering meaningful dialogue. They express their dedication to understanding different perspectives and engaging in conversations that promote growth and learning. Despite potential disagreements, Sarah and Haley believe that exchanging ideas is essential for a broader understanding of the complex issues surrounding the pandemic.
In summary, this podcast segment reflects on the ongoing impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, focusing on the importance of open and respectful dialogue, understanding different perspectives, and the collective trauma experienced by communities worldwide.
Episode Transcript
EP03: Growing Resilience through Challenges
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Transcript
00:00
Welcome to Aligned to Amplify. And I feel like a cheesy person saying like that, that’s okay. My name is Sarah Garrison and I am here with - Haley Lewis. And we’re still trying to figure this all out,
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you know? We’re still in the early stages of recording our podcast with our duct tape and WD -40 setup. So y ‘all get to join us along for the ride.
00:21
And you’ll notice every week, something’s gonna look different. It just is. Not, it is not just our clothes that’s gonna look different. It’s like we’re gonna try a new camera setup. You might even be able to see our janky setup someday.
00:35
The thing is though, is that we’re going to be able to witness in real time our growth. I’m excited about that. Yeah. And you know what the thing is, is that you can’t move forward without starting.
00:49
And if we kept trying to plan and make sure everything was perfect, we would never get started. So why not just make mistakes along the way? And y ‘all get to learn from our mistakes. And you know,
00:59
I’m pretty sure we’re gonna announce when we made another mistake. Oh, absolutely. We are the podcast of complete transparency. There is no faking and no fussiness about us.
01:16
We are setting up our cameras. We turn on the mics and then we talk. And it’s for real and it’s uncut. And we adjust our microphones during.
01:29
I heard you do that and it sounds better. Oh good, okay. I was turning it towards my face a little bit more. I’m finding that I, for some reason, the mic doesn’t pick me up as well.
01:40
Like we literally adjusted my mic to be more sensitive and her mic to be less sensitive for some reason. You can’t hear me otherwise. I’m animated but I’m almost comatose when I talk. And you’re like,
01:52
hey, over here, over here. So I could have a little dance show over here. So you almost need like one of those lab mics that like moves with you. So anyway,
02:04
and I’m pretty much like another hair, deadpan. And I have this thing with my hands. Like I like to sit like this, but then we were noticing in editing, my hands are in every one of her shots. She’s like,
02:14
- I’m like, how are you doing, Haley? You can’t talk to the camera. camera. But not really,
02:26
exactly, exactly. So we have, we had a last minute cancellation today, so Sarah and I are hopping on just to do one of our regular chit chats.
02:38
And to get into some topics that maybe other people wouldn’t be comfortable talking about. So I’m good with that. I’m good with that too. You know, I was thinking, so today,
02:48
during our hub power working, we got in the subject of COVID. Oh, and I missed it. You did, you. So we talked about like what happened when you had kids.
03:02
So first of all, just the idea of being isolated for so long. Now, I’m in a unique situation, cause I never felt that isolation. Before I started doing this,
03:13
my career path was I was a safety manager for a small staffing agency. Well, it wasn’t smalls. The local staffing agency had six offices. We couldn’t stay home, cause we were providing the people that did all of the like.
03:26
Fill in work. Fill in work. Like they were the ones that were making the food that went out to the grocery stores. They were the ones that were in the warehouses. And with all the new regulations, your job as the safety advisor or liaison or whatever,
03:40
for the state, you were liaison between the state and the companies. Yeah, I had to make sure all of the COVID rules were being followed for all of these. And it wasn’t just the company I worked for. It was like all the companies we staffed for,
03:52
I had to make sure they were within compliance for our employees. So I was never at home. I never had that. I mean, I did feel the isolation because my husband and I,
04:05
pre COVID, it’s been different since COVID has, you know, all the restrictions have lifted. But pre COVID, we were going out all the time. We would spend our weekends out paddle boarding, hiking,
04:16
doing all sorts of outdoorsy fun things. And, you know, when COVID hit, we couldn’t do that anymore. I mean, you couldn’t go out, like, they shut down everything.
04:26
And so we were just talking about, like, what it was like to be home alone, what it was like to be home alone with kids. We had one of the people that was there today mention that she got so tired of not allowing her kids to play on the playground equipment where she lived that,
04:44
at one point, she just went and ripped down the caution tape and let her kids play because they were so, just so wound up, there was nothing like having fever. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
04:55
Really? Yeah. Was there a negative neighbor, Nellie, that, like, reported her or anything like that? I mean, she didn’t. Because they were out there, too. So I’m just curious.
05:05
She didn’t say anything about that, but she said that, like, she would find, like, the fountains that were shut down and let her kid climb on the fountains and stuff. Just anything where he could, he,
05:15
she, I don’t know what kind of child this person had, but their two -year -old could climb and, you know, play that was not caution taped off.
05:27
So it was just interesting to hear, and another person talked about how they found ways to go camping, even though all the camp grounds were shut off, because there still was,
05:38
and there’s still, I’m sure, there’s still, like, off -grid camping and things like that, where you were just not around people, but it was just interesting to hear how people kind of survived that time frame when you couldn’t do anything at all.
05:53
Oh, yeah. Like, I have a different perspective than even you do, because you had, you had a thriving agency at the time. I did, and then I had also that injury,
06:04
March 7th, 2020. Oh gosh, right before everything shut down. I fell up the stairs. I know.
06:15
That’s a real thing, guys. You couldn’t really fall up the stairs. It happens. I mean, you, our president did it. Yep. Several times. No, it’s, and it’s, and it’s a real thing. And I got a real injury from it.
06:27
And thinking, oh, I’ll be okay. And then by the time I’m like, Oh, I’m not okay. Everything was shut down by then. And there was no getting in to see a doctor at all.
06:40
So finally was able to get in in August. So six months later, August, and my knee was completely torn. The meniscus was extruded,
06:51
not repairable. So welcome to my life of disability, because I can’t walk, but I can’t get surgery either, because it’s elective.
07:04
See, the weirdest thing happened during that timeframe. So injuries, like I managed injuries too.
07:14
And you know, before COVID, people would go to the emergency room for an injury, a work related injury that was super minor, like maybe a little cut, a little scrape, you know, not,
07:24
not anything super serious, you know, that’s a right. They have the right to do that. During COVID, I had somebody that had such a bad cut, like deep,
07:35
like needed stitches cut, refused, absolutely refused to go to the emergency room. I had this person sign all sorts of things. I had this person write out why they didn’t like the person refused or the hospital refused.
07:51
He like flat out just did not want to go see anybody. And so, you know, yeah, you have the hospital saying, no, we don’t want anybody, but then you had people that were like truly scared to even go in.
08:04
You know, I kept, I kept telling him like, you need to, this needs stitches, like this is, this is not something you just sit on. He’s like, no, I’ll gonna.
08:17
Oh, the fear. Yeah. The fear was probably more deadly than the virus. Yeah.
08:28
Which is sad. And we could go on and on and on about that. But I think I have a little bit of PTSD when I talk about COVID and the pandemic shut down,
08:38
because I did feel like I was a victim of circumstance, what everybody did. I mean, everybody had their own unique circumstances, but we were so isolated.
08:50
We’re just caught up in our own problems that it was a big, big, fat, pity party for me for several months, because I couldn’t move. First of all, then, you know,
09:00
let my team go lose my lease on my on my studio. Now would we do like there’s yeah. And it took a while for me to get ahold of myself and go,
09:14
this is not my life. I know that we’ve been dished a whole lot of really bad stuff right now, but I am not going to sit back and be a victim. And I’m not going to feel sorry for myself anymore.
09:25
So what has to happen? That takes a lot when you’re isolated. Yeah, a lot. Yeah. You get to know who you are. I know I did. I think the whole world went through that.
09:38
A lot of self discovery. There’s not a whole lot else to do. I mean, people gardened and I turned into my great grandma. I was canning like crazy and,
09:51
you know, I’m prepping like a Mormon like seriously had all of the shelves all loaded. Like I was seriously my great grandma. Oh,
10:01
and then the college was actually one of the only educational programs, the nursing program at the college was the only one of the only educational programs that was actually meeting over the summer that was actually having in person classes.
10:17
And so the director of that course was reaching out to people and I responded. And so my daughter and I, we made 130 masks,
10:28
like those cloth masks, remember? I do remember, my mom made 200 for my company. So we made cloth masks for all of the nursing students at Mount Hood Community College,
10:39
so they could go in -person learning. And well, now we know that masks, you know, the effectiveness of masks, you know,
10:50
but - Oh, that’s controversy right there. Did I just open up a can? You just opened it. Well, I got COVID wearing a mask. So I have the viewpoint of why the heck did I,
11:04
I mean, I was, so I was not anti -mask by any means, like because I was in the government regulations, I understood that it,
11:15
businesses would get in trouble if people didn’t wear masks. So I wore a mask because I did not wanna harm the businesses. I also,
11:26
there was a piece of me that, you know, you just, you don’t know what you don’t know. So like, I was like, well, okay, if this is gonna keep me safe, I’m gonna wear it, you know? So when I went in any public places,
11:36
I would wear it. I wouldn’t go and just like, you know, the people that just didn’t wear a mask at all, which is fine, you do you, but I did wear mine because I knew what it was like to be on the receiving end of the government - Of the regulations.
11:50
Yeah, regulations. And so I wore it just for that purpose. But when I got COVID, while wearing a mask, mind you, that was it.
12:02
I was like, I don’t see the point. I still was respectful in like small businesses and stuff, but at that point, after I was done with COVID and everything,
12:13
I’m like, no, this is dumb. Like, if I don’t have to wear a mask, I’m not going to. So I would be respectful and wear them where I had to. I wasn’t gonna like pitch a fit and be like,
12:24
I’m an anti -masker. But I also wasn’t gonna wear a mask if I absolutely didn’t have to. And when they got to the spot where it’s like, well, if you’re vaccinated, you don’t have to wear a mask,
12:35
but if you’re unvaccinated, you have to wear a mask. I just got to a point where they’re not gonna ask me, so I’m not gonna wear it whether I’m vaccinated or not. Interesting. Yeah. I always kind of giggled about the mask.
12:46
I mean, I wore them, but okay, here it is. If I can smell your cologne, I’m not a scientist,
12:57
so I don’t know. And so I’m not claiming anything, but the skeptic in me, I am kind of, I have a built -in skeptic gene.
13:07
I’m not sure what that is, but I’ll question. I think it comes back to the early 80s that they had that like t -shirt campaign, it was like question authority, because I was so punk rock. It was so punk rock to like not follow the rules and was like,
13:19
okay, yeah, I’m gonna question it and you better have a good, good answer for me before I comply. And I think that’s just carried over throughout my whole life. Yeah. So yeah,
13:30
I’m like, I can smell your cologne. Yeah. And I’m not a scientist and I don’t know, but I’m assuming that if particles of cologne can penetrate a mask,
13:44
I’m assuming the virus is smaller than that and it can penetrate the mask. Yeah. I’m just, yeah, I know. So that was always the, do I smell COVID?
13:58
Now, so that’s my, just my sense of humor, but you know, I’m like, I think I smell COVID. Now, I will say that there, there, there’s, there’s always a,
14:09
there’s positives to masks. And, you know, I do want to at least address that a little bit, because I don’t want to seem like we’re a total anti -masker. I mean, there were times like the company I ran,
14:21
there’s times when you do need masks, and there are certain types of masks that will keep out certain things, you know? In 95s, K in 95s, we use those like crazy. It was very interesting. Before COVID,
14:33
like the November of 2019, I had ordered a bunch of N95 masks because we were doing a special project. And then the special project ended and I still had tons of these masks.
14:47
And so when COVID hit, it was just like, oh, wow. I have this to protect the employees with. Like we didn’t,
14:57
I mean, we ran out of them very quickly, but it gave us kind of that extra little oomph of we had this extra stock that because that project had ended and they were just in the store,
15:09
they were just in the back storage unit. It was a nice thing to have. And I do feel like those, you know, certain masks and certain situations could help. It’s just, I don’t know how effective it was against COVID,
15:20
especially seeing that I don’t think any of us wore them 100 % properly. I mean, for N95s in industry, you have to go through a fit test. They do a smoke test,
15:31
they do all of this stuff to make sure that you’re not getting anything inside of that mask. We didn’t do that because we don’t know that. As the general population, we don’t know how to do that. I had to go through special training to do all that stuff.
15:42
So, you know, given the situation, masks can be helpful. And I think that even like cloth masks, like if you’re sick and you have a cough,
15:53
when you cough, your saliva gets out there. Having that on is a good idea if you’re gonna go to public. But really like, I think post COVID, who goes out in public when they have a cold anymore?
16:05
Yeah, well, I mean, me going through the last year of major surgeries, yeah, I want my surgical team wearing a mask because you’re cutting me open. And I don’t know where you’ve been and what you’ve done.
16:18
So I would like you to wear a mask because I am vulnerable at that point. point So, you know being respectful of the vulnerable people. Mm -hmm. I get it But I’ll also say that there was a lot of I’m just following the regulations That was me because it was outlined,
16:35
you know, and and it seemed like a lot of fore -show Aspects of it. In fact, um, I actually I actually had COVID when I didn’t know I had COVID I had no I was asymptomatic,
16:48
but I I Had it I went in for my first scheduled knee surgery They came out and said we’re gonna have to give you,
16:58
you know, they checked me in they I was in the car still They checked me in and then said we have to give you a customary COVID test So we’ll be right back So she was just in scrubs and a clipboard and just regular,
17:10
you know hair up in a clip and stuff like that She comes out. She comes back out in the bunny suit But hold on with the shield and everything Masked up bunny suit like the special protective clipboard I don’t know if you’ve ever seen the one anyway special protection on the clipboard and then gives me my test Does the swab thing?
17:36
Goes back in Takes it all off because you can’t go back all the way in so you have to strip all the way and all that stuff back off Came back out with just your scrubs. No mask regular clipboard to tell me that I tested positive and that they would have to reschedule my surgery I was shocked first of all that I even had it because I had no symptoms,
18:00
but I was more entertained by The pomp and circumstance of the test and Even knowing after I tested positive she came back and she’s not all bunny suited up like it was interesting Yeah,
18:14
but it was not part of their protocol protocol there’s a there was they they have a very specific protocol for the testing part opening but their interaction with the patients was different oh yeah but I’m like now you know I tested positive yeah you should why aren’t you bunnies I mean why didn’t you come out in your protective bubble I don’t understand that but I didn’t understand a lot of what was going on during
18:42
that time so I just I became an amused observer that was something somebody told me years ago is like when it is beyond your control and your you can’t change the circumstances of the situation you need to take a deep breath take a step back and become an amused observer yeah I mean take it all in watch it and you can assess your own opinions after that but don’t go kicking screaming don’t make a scene don’t
19:16
because it’s nothing you can change like I couldn’t I couldn’t kick and scream and tell them I don’t have any symptoms I don’t care I think your test is wrong you obviously think my test is wrong too because you came back out without your bunny suit on you know it was like go back home and you can come back in 30 days and we don’t have to test you yeah that was the other thing it’s like oh yeah in 30 days
19:39
we’ll schedule your surgery and we don’t have to test you again I just so I don’t that I died so there it is and maybe we need to have somebody on here that has more inside information into the medical yeah side of things because I don’t know yeah I think there’s there’s like two sides of it is listen there’s nothing you can do and so you’re just gonna go along with it but then you have the other side that’s
20:04
like well wait a minute if you go along with this what are you giving up what more things are caught on? Like if you agree to this,
20:15
what, what’s the next thing they’re going to take away from you? You know, that I think that’s kind of, I think that’s why people stood up is cause they felt like it was kind of like a grab for power versus,
20:25
you know, a health issue. And so they would say, well, why are you just giving in and I understand the health issue and the vulnerable people made my mom lived with me at the time,
20:38
I’m elderly, you know, other underlying circumstances. And I would take it more seriously if I saw a more serious approach from the people in charge about it.
20:57
And instead of all the all over, like do this, but then I’m going to go and do what I told you not to do. Like we saw that a lot from the government officials of, I think it was, I want to think it was the California governor,
21:12
because California was really super strict. And thinking of the dining, the dining, some dinner, like went to a dinner party at a restaurant. Yeah, and when no one could even have people over at their house or something like that.
20:38
I’m elderly, you know, other underlying circumstances. And I would take it more seriously if I saw a more serious approach from the people in charge about it.
20:57
And instead of all the all over, like do this, but then I’m going to go and do what I told you not to do. Like we saw that a lot from the government officials of, I think it was, I want to think it was the California governor,
21:12
because California was really super strict. And thinking of the dining, the dining, some dinner, like went to a dinner party at a restaurant. Yeah, and when no one could even have people over at their house or something like that.
21:25
But I think there were a lot of those examples of like the government officials doing things opposite to what they told us to do. And so I think that’s what started bringing up like the doubt. And I understand,
21:37
like, we just need to get like, at that point, we needed to get out. People were tired of being isolated. They were tired of having all this stuff. And I mean, there were people broke the rules left and right.
21:50
It’s just if you’re a government official and breaking the rules, it’s different. It’s a little different. You’re telling us, it’s like, do what I say, not as I do. Well, and that’s,
22:00
you know, my father passed away during COVID. He did not pass away from COVID, but it was during 2020. And we weren’t allowed to view. We had no viewing.
22:13
We weren’t allowed to have a funeral. We had a small, you know, gathering of people that he was out of state. So we couldn’t travel to where he was.
22:25
There was a lot of, that was hurtful. That was very hard. And seriously, within a week of my father’s funeral was that senator’s funeral in Georgia or Senator Lewis,
22:40
somebody. I don’t know. But that was the one where like it was, everybody traveled from D .C. to go to it. They packed the church. And I just,
22:56
I was in my moment of grief, but I just was like, this isn’t right. Yeah. And how come?
23:08
I mean, I had a lot of questions. How come this and not this? Well, I didn’t, my dad, get the same. He would have had a huge memorial. People loved him.
23:32
Yeah, I’m not sure. But being the amused observer, I took it all in. Yep, I watched it. I watched everything play out. And quietly formulating an opinion.
23:50
I am. So, yeah. Yeah. So much we could dig deep into with COVID. Like, not just the isolation, not just the masking,
24:01
not just the rules for the enough for me. Yeah, like there’s just, it’s such a deep topic. And it’s, so many people are so incredibly passionate about it.
24:11
I mean, to not talk about it would mean to forget the past three years of our lives, you know? Cause it just, the federal government just took away the state of emergency declaration.
24:22
like what, three or four months ago, it’s been real recent that they took that away. So it would have been three years after the first shutdown. Exactly. So it’s still really fresh in our memories and it’s,
24:34
I feel like it’s a shared collective trauma that we’ve all gone through. Each one of our traumas have been different, but it’s something that we all went through. You know, some of us did lose loved ones to COVID and some of us,
24:46
you know, did have issues with the vaccine and some of us, you know, were perfectly fine, got COVID and had no issues. You know, some of us didn’t even know. Yeah. Didn’t even know we had had it.
24:57
So like, there’s just so many varying ways to look at it, but we can’t dismiss it. We can’t stop talking about it because it upsets people because everyone has all these different viewpoints and advises.
25:10
I feel like there’s some commonalities that we can come to the isolation, the fear, the pain. I mean, yes, I wasn’t as isolated as everybody else because of what I did,
25:21
but I felt like I lived in constant fear of getting the virus. I was constantly worried about bringing it home to my son, to my parents because while we didn’t live in the same house,
25:33
we lived on the same property and I saw them quite often. So there’s, there’s just, we all have this collective piece of our memory that’s never going to go away. It’s a trauma. It’s a trauma.
25:51
It’s a going to, we’re going to still talk about it. It’s still, it’s still a piece of it. Well, it would be like any trauma you experience in your lifetime if you just shove it down.
26:02
Oh gosh. Do you know what happens when you do that? Well, I’m sure you’re going to tell me. Oh my gosh. You get trauma triggers. Like, and it’s, that’s PTSD. I call them trauma triggers,
26:12
but it’s really PTSD where like you’re going along and all of a sudden something happens and you just go back to that moment that you may have completely forgotten about and it just replays in your life. Like, I’ve been through some stuff in my life where I thought it was good and done and over with,
26:28
and then all of a sudden I’m put in a situation and I’m like, oh my gosh, I feel like I’m back in that abusive relationship. You know, like just things that happen that trigger that piece of me that I thought was healed.
26:40
You know, and that’s, I call them trauma triggers, but I think they’re probably called, it’s probably called PTSD. So it’s probably a good thing that we work through our trauma because we are the people we are today because of the trauma that we all endured.
26:55
Exactly. And, you know, individually and collectively, which was interesting because, you know, we have kind of a shared trauma, but it was all, everybody was unique and individual to them,
27:07
but it still impacted everyone. Yep. We’re all in this together, but separately together. And having open dialogue and respectful conversations is important.
27:23
And I would never want to dismiss anybody’s opinion about how they handled COVID or what they feel like now. And I would hope they would respond in kind to me.
27:39
And I’d love to have some guests on here to talk more about this. I would love to have some insights into the medical profession because our medical profession is still in turmoil because of it.
27:53
Oh, yeah. And they haven’t, they haven’t bounced back. They’re still in trauma response for a whole bunch of different reasons,
28:04
but yeah, anyway. Anyway, I think we’re nearing time, so we should probably wrap this up. If you know, hey, if we’ve pushed a hot button with this topic today,
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you want to comment on it, anything, you’re welcome to, you know, send us an email, COVID denier. It could be angry, it could be happy, we, you know what, we want the conversation.
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Let’s have a conversation. If you’d like to be a guest on our show, we, probably by the time this airs, we’ll have an application available that you can sign up and, you know, if it works out,
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we’ll get you on here. We’re open to conversations, even if it’s something that doesn’t resonate with us. We want, you know, we may not agree with it, it may not resonate with us,
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but we won’t have those conversations because it’s important to get the information out to everybody. And it’s the way that you learn too. Exactly. By communicating with each other. And honestly,
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for me, being in the industry of perception, perspective is everything. And understanding the perspective of other individuals that don’t believe the way I do,
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or you do, or whatever. That’s why we have interesting conversations because we align, but sometimes we don’t. Oh, yeah. So. It’s fun when we don’t, actually. And hopefully you’ll see one of those one of these days.
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We’re seeking alignment, hence our align to amplify. Yes. But yeah, please stick with us as we learn and grow together. And we’ll see you next time.
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Thanks for joining. Bye.
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